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Brian McKinlay

I very rarely stop thinking about this, and sometimes get stressed as a result.

Milton Stanley

Yes, I will.

Robin Shifflett

I have been giving copies of "The Practice of the Presence of God" to my members. Brother Lawrence understood better than most what it means to walk with Jesus. It is only through that, that I truly "walk in the Spirit" and start realizing what the Jesus life is about. For too many Christians, it is simply going to church on Sunday. They are missing so much in blessings, and so much effectiveness as a beleiver. The Kingdom is suffering by our lack of understanding.

jan mckenzie

I have said similiar things in sermons and converstaions over this past year. I don't believe many of us like Jesus. Of course, the old word of it is hypocrisy. Jesus used it to reveal the difference between what was said and what was practiced by the theologians of his day.

I believe, as Luther said, that the cross is theology. (no, I'm not Lutheran). Unrepentant, we hate God most because of what Christ crucified tells us about him and his kingdom. When Pilate showed us Christ and said "Behold the man" we shouted "Crucify, crucify". Jesus is a threat to all the ways we use to satisfy ourselves apart from God.

But without seeing God in Christ on his cross, I can't see God at all, not as he is in Scripture.

Yet...he loved them to the end.

Zechariah 12.10 remains many church's unsolved mystery.

Greg England

I have no profound comments, Jim. But yesterday I took a body up to Inglewood cemetery for burial (as a funeral director, not preacher). The deceased was gay as were the few who gathered to say their farewells. Having just preached on Jn.9 and allowing ourselves to "see" as Jesus sees, I was very intentional in my attitude, wanting nothing more than to be Jesus to this gathering...wondering what Jesus would do had he been the funeral director that morning.
I agree with you, what McLaren says is hard to take because it is so very true!


A good friend told me half joking (but probably more seriously) not to read McLaren unless I was ready to question everything about my faith and how I live it. There has been a book in my night stand waiting for me to find the courage for almost a year now. That may trouble me more than anything McLaern could say.

Jim Martin

Thanks all for your comments. These were very helpful as I continue to wrestle with this.

What I wrestle with is not anything profound or novel. I am simply trying not to live on "automatic."

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